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walter melon 6 Jul @ 7:18am

Two lies in less than 3 minutes of SF Direct

https://youtu.be/uMOPoAq5vIA?si=AerRgpH95oMJXGI4&t=108

Two lies in 2.5 minutes of SF Direct

----- "it wasn't until now that we had the technology to create it"

Lie. There is nothing in SF that we didn't have the technology for. Proc gen? Done on microbudgets decades before. Minecraft is from 2009.

11 years ago ED did proc gen for an entire galaxy. A 1:1 scale simulation of the Milky Way galaxy based on real-life scientific principles, scientific data and theories. It includes around 400 billion star systems, modeled on actual galactic charts. That's 400 billion SYSTEMS. In each system there can be up to 100 planetary bodies or more.

ED modeled actual planets. Planets are spherical bodies. They are round. In Starfield there are no planets at all. Zero planets. You get flat Earth theory. You get invisible walls around the flat Earth. This is Minecraft levels of tech if you added invisible walls instead of infinite in every direction.

NMS used proc gen too of course with actual planets. It's not a new tech.

---- "That isn't just a backdrop. That moon is there actually orbiting the planet."

Lie. The moon isn't there. It's literally and technically a backdrop in every possible sense. It's a wallpaper. It's an background image. If you take X hours to fly there you will see that the image becomes really really low resolution because its meant to be seen from far away. You will clip harmlessly through it. Because it's not there. It's a backdrop.

Backdrop = an image you harmlessly clip through
Not a backdrop = the gravity sucks you in and you crash and die horribly

It's all on video. That boobtuber streamer actually flew 8 hours to clip through a planet.

The moon isn't there. You can loading screen to a fishbowl but that fishbowl is not the object you are seeing in the sky. The object in the sky is clearly Spherical. You loading screen to a utterly separate instance of environment that is Flat Earth.

Unlike ED where the Moon object in the sky has a spherical 3D mesh, with textures that wrap around the 3D mesh and full collision so you don't clip into it. It also has gravity to pull you in because it is there. You can actually go there in real time, no loading screen.

That's 3 minutes into it Not gonna watch the rest because it is boring like SF. But there's probably 50 more lies at that rate.

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Darth Revan has Starfield

6 Jul @ 7:24am

none of the games you mentioned use creation engine which is the technology they are talking about when it comes to BGS games

H5N1

6 Jul @ 7:25am

Oh this again

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walter melon 6 Jul @ 7:34am

Originally posted by Darth Revan:
none of the games you mentioned use creation engine which is the technology they are talking about when it comes to BGS games

Doesn't make sense. CE is not a technology. Also doesn't matter if they are using wooden spoons as an engine. Still a lie.

400 million dollars. You can make any engine assimilate any possible tech with that kind of money. You have to spend it on talent and not deadweight checkboxes though.

BGS doesn't get a pass for being a special needs studio just because they are historically helpless and lazy

momopovich has Starfield

6 Jul @ 7:35am

Originally posted by walter melon:
----- "it wasn't until now that we had the technology to create it"

Lie. There is nothing in SF that we didn't have the technology for. Proc gen? Done on microbudgets decades before. Minecraft is from 2009.

"We" as in BGS with their particular engine, not "We" as humanity. Doesnt take a genius mind to get it right

Originally posted by walter melon:
---- "That isn't just a backdrop. That moon is there actually orbiting the planet."

Lie. The moon isn't there. It's literally and technically a backdrop in every possible sense.

The moon is in fact orbitting, if you wait on the planet you will see that its moving accordingly.

That you need to load the area to access its surface is irrelevant.

Darth Revan has Starfield

6 Jul @ 7:37am

Originally posted by walter melon:
Originally posted by Darth Revan:
none of the games you mentioned use creation engine which is the technology they are talking about when it comes to BGS games

Doesn't make sense. CE is not a technology. Also doesn't matter if they are using wooden spoons as an engine. Still a lie.

400 million dollars. You can make any engine assimilate any possible tech with that kind of money. You have to spend it on talent and not deadweight checkboxes though.

BGS doesn't get a pass for being a special needs studio just because they are historically helpless and lazy

A game engine is fundamentally comprised of various technologies so when todd talks about technology he is talking about components of creation engine

HeyYou

6 Jul @ 7:40am

Beth actually had proc-gen back in the 90's..... (Daggerfall) Of course, it didn't quite work as well as they would have liked...... The whole "The Game has encountered an error, you must reinstall." thing was kinda a drag. :D

H5N1

6 Jul @ 7:46am

I never played Daggerfall I was busy playing other games like the Tex Murphy series and a lot of the Microprose simulators. Also oddly enough the Links golf games and of course Doom Wolfenstein and Mortal Combat.

Starbug

6 Jul @ 7:46am

This would explain why you didn't buy the game. But doesn't go much beyond that.

walter melon 6 Jul @ 7:54am

Originally posted by momopovich:
Originally posted by walter melon:
----- "it wasn't until now that we had the technology to create it"

Lie. There is nothing in SF that we didn't have the technology for. Proc gen? Done on microbudgets decades before. Minecraft is from 2009.

"We" as in BGS with their particular engine, not "We" as humanity. Doesnt take a genius mind to get it right

Originally posted by walter melon:
---- "That isn't just a backdrop. That moon is there actually orbiting the planet."

Lie. The moon isn't there. It's literally and technically a backdrop in every possible sense.

The moon is in fact orbitting, if you wait on the planet you will see that its moving accordingly.

That you need to load the area to access its surface is irrelevant.

I was counting on you to make the most BGS reply. Thanks.

You are confusing yourself with Todd. common mistake. He said what he said, and not what you said. He said "technology" not engine. Rewatch the video if you need.

The beth bots are the ones going on about how the poor little engine couldn't handle proc gen. That's not what Todd said and never has. Because it's clearly not true. He said it wasn't until now that we had the technology.

Please listen to the sentence again as many times as you need to understand it. thank you

idk what to say about the moon "orbitting" If you mean the skybox wallpaper for the fishbowl environment is on a loop, yea it is. Still just a skybox though, if you even know what that is. That's not what Todd said though either.

walter melon 6 Jul @ 7:57am

Originally posted by Darth Revan:
Originally posted by walter melon:

Doesn't make sense. CE is not a technology. Also doesn't matter if they are using wooden spoons as an engine. Still a lie.

400 million dollars. You can make any engine assimilate any possible tech with that kind of money. You have to spend it on talent and not deadweight checkboxes though.

BGS doesn't get a pass for being a special needs studio just because they are historically helpless and lazy
A game engine is fundamentally comprised of various technologies so when todd talks about technology he is talking about components of creation engine

*A game engine is fundamentally comprised of various technologies - Correct!

*so when todd talks about technology he is talking about components of creation engine - Lie! We had the proc gen tech for decades.

He said it wasn't until now that we had the technology.

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Darth Revan has Starfield

6 Jul @ 8:02am

Originally posted by walter melon:
Originally posted by Darth Revan:
A game engine is fundamentally comprised of various technologies so when todd talks about technology he is talking about components of creation engine

*A game engine is fundamentally comprised of various technologies - Correct!

*so when todd talks about technology he is talking about components of creation engine - Lie! We had the proc gen tech for decades.

He said it wasn't until now that we had the technology.

creation engine was not capable of running a game like starfield is what todd means with what he said and thats not a lie

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walter melon 6 Jul @ 8:11am

Nah, we are on a loop here. One last time I'll say it.

I know we both know that what Todd the salesman wanted the listener to think was that Starfield contained technology that we never had before. New technology. "it wasn't until now that we had the technology to make it" That's the literal understanding of the sentence and the meta understanding of Todd the salesman and what he wanted to present.

He's not saying or implying that "our crummy engine finally got with the times and caught up a little" in a promo video. He's saying this is the best thing going with tech you've never seen before.

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Darth Revan has Starfield

6 Jul @ 8:15am

Originally posted by walter melon:
Nah, we are on a loop here. One last time I'll say it.

I know we both know that what Todd the salesman wanted the listener to think was that Starfield contained technology that we never had before. New technology. "it wasn't until now that we had the technology to make it" That's the literal understanding of the sentence and the meta understanding of Todd the salesman and what he wanted to present.

He's not saying or implying that "our crummy engine finally got with the times and caught up a little" in a promo video. He's saying this is the best thing going with tech you've never seen before.

which is not a lie since creation engine litterally could not handle a game like starfield until the improvements to the engine they made for the development of starfield were made

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walter melon 6 Jul @ 8:33am

If anybody wants to know why people say beth bot then we got a premium grade A case of it. I mean what other explanation is there for this. If you need explainer footnotes from internet fans on what you say to keep it from being a lie... then it's a lie. Case closed. Not that these explanations even make sense.

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