Ability to 100% a game based on your DLCs
A lot of games nowadays have DLC based Achievements. Often that stops me from 100%ing a game since it is locked behind paid content. I would like to be able to remove the achievements from the requirements while i don't own the DLC content, OR that being automatic where buying a DLC will add the said achievements to the base game.

As a few examples:
Just Cause 3 has no Mechs in the base game, but there are a couple achievements based on it.
Assassins Creed Odyssey has many achievements locked behind 2 major DLCs. So far i would have 70% of the achievements unlocked because of this.
And lastly as the most ridiculous one, Pay Day 2. Hundreds of achievements locked behind tens of DLC packs.
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Chronocide 16 Jul @ 12:42am 
Originally posted by Goliath:
A lot of games nowadays have DLC based Achievements. Often that stops me from 100%ing a game since it is locked behind paid content. I would like to be able to remove the achievements from the requirements while i don't own the DLC content, OR that being automatic where buying a DLC will add the said achievements to the base game.

As a few examples:
Just Cause 3 has no Mechs in the base game, but there are a couple achievements based on it.
Assassins Creed Odyssey has many achievements locked behind 2 major DLCs. So far i would have 70% of the achievements unlocked because of this.
And lastly as the most ridiculous one, Pay Day 2. Hundreds of achievements locked behind tens of DLC packs.

There's something called the "steam achievement manager" which, as far as I know, is allowed by steam. Let's you just tell it what achievements you've earned and then steam reflects that.

It kinda makes all achievements meaningless, but if you are the type that can't be satisfied with a game until it's 100% unlocked, then perhaps this is for you.
Last edited by Chronocide; 16 Jul @ 12:43am
If you don't play the DLC, you really haven't played the full game.
Goliath 16 Jul @ 2:50am 
Originally posted by JPMcMillen:
If you don't play the DLC, you really haven't played the full game.
Is this supposed to be ragebait? In what sense is an extra piece added later, the 'full game'. The full game is as is, on release. If something gets added later, that is 110%. If you want to count it as full game, then it shouldn't be an extra DLC, it should be part of the game, like Blasphemous where they incorporated the DLCs into the main game. <- THAT is the full game. A game that i can 100% because i bought the base game and even tho at some point those were extra content, now its part of the full game.
Originally posted by Goliath:
Originally posted by JPMcMillen:
If you don't play the DLC, you really haven't played the full game.
Is this supposed to be ragebait? In what sense is an extra piece added later, the 'full game'. The full game is as is, on release. If something gets added later, that is 110%. If you want to count it as full game, then it shouldn't be an extra DLC, it should be part of the game, like Blasphemous where they incorporated the DLCs into the main game. <- THAT is the full game. A game that i can 100% because i bought the base game and even tho at some point those were extra content, now its part of the full game.
He's right though.

And asb a note I recal dev/pubs have the ability to set up achievements in that way...but they do not because they know that that having that 100% is gonna get people to buy the dlc that normally wouldn't.
BJWyler 16 Jul @ 3:57am 
Originally posted by Goliath:
Originally posted by JPMcMillen:
If you don't play the DLC, you really haven't played the full game.
Is this supposed to be ragebait? In what sense is an extra piece added later, the 'full game'. The full game is as is, on release. If something gets added later, that is 110%. If you want to count it as full game, then it shouldn't be an extra DLC, it should be part of the game, like Blasphemous where they incorporated the DLCs into the main game. <- THAT is the full game. A game that i can 100% because i bought the base game and even tho at some point those were extra content, now its part of the full game.
Many people would consider DLC to be cut content that should have been in the base game.

If you want 100%, then you do 100%, including all the content that comes later - be it free or in a paid DLC. Simple as. There is no issue with how Steam handles achievements. You either have done ALL the content in a game or you have not.

I am a completionist and I find it completely fair that one needs to do ALL the content in a game to get 100%. You know what I find unfair? Those who want to "cheat" and manipulate the system to pretend to have done 100% of a game's content when they really haven't done 100% of a game's content. You know, maybe Steam should get involved and make sure people can't cheat like that.

Here's another point to ponder, why should someone get to have 100% for a game without the DLC content when someone else got a true 100% by doing it with all the extra content?

https://steamproxy-script.pipiskins.com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469928464&include_deleted=1&q=Separate+dlc+achievements+
Last edited by BJWyler; 16 Jul @ 3:59am
Originally posted by BJWyler:
Originally posted by Goliath:
Is this supposed to be ragebait? In what sense is an extra piece added later, the 'full game'. The full game is as is, on release. If something gets added later, that is 110%. If you want to count it as full game, then it shouldn't be an extra DLC, it should be part of the game, like Blasphemous where they incorporated the DLCs into the main game. <- THAT is the full game. A game that i can 100% because i bought the base game and even tho at some point those were extra content, now its part of the full game.
Many people would consider DLC to be cut content that should have been in the base game.

If you want 100%, then you do 100%, including all the content that comes later - be it free or in a paid DLC. Simple as. There is no issue with how Steam handles achievements. You either have done ALL the content in a game or you have not.

I am a completionist and I find it completely fair that one needs to do ALL the content in a game to get 100%. You know what I find unfair? Those who want to "cheat" and manipulate the system to pretend to have done 100% of a game's content when they really haven't done 100% of a game's content. You know, maybe Steam should get involved and make sure people can't cheat like that.

Here's another point to ponder, why should someone get to have 100% for a game without the DLC content when someone else got a true 100% by doing it with all the extra content?

https://steamproxy-script.pipiskins.com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469928464&include_deleted=1&q=Separate+dlc+achievements+
And many people don't consider DLC as such as well. Including the guys who invented the achievement and trophy framework.

Just because YOU feel 100% requires DLC doesn't mean others do, sadly. Them's the facts.
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
Originally posted by BJWyler:
Many people would consider DLC to be cut content that should have been in the base game.

If you want 100%, then you do 100%, including all the content that comes later - be it free or in a paid DLC. Simple as. There is no issue with how Steam handles achievements. You either have done ALL the content in a game or you have not.

I am a completionist and I find it completely fair that one needs to do ALL the content in a game to get 100%. You know what I find unfair? Those who want to "cheat" and manipulate the system to pretend to have done 100% of a game's content when they really haven't done 100% of a game's content. You know, maybe Steam should get involved and make sure people can't cheat like that.

Here's another point to ponder, why should someone get to have 100% for a game without the DLC content when someone else got a true 100% by doing it with all the extra content?

https://steamproxy-script.pipiskins.com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469928464&include_deleted=1&q=Separate+dlc+achievements+
And many people don't consider DLC as such as well. Including the guys who invented the achievement and trophy framework.

Just because YOU feel 100% requires DLC doesn't mean others do, sadly. Them's the facts.

If you have not done the DLC, you have not 100% completed the game.
That's the facts.

The DLC counts as game content too, so refusing to do it means you have not done all of the games content.
Originally posted by HikariLight:
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
And many people don't consider DLC as such as well. Including the guys who invented the achievement and trophy framework.

Just because YOU feel 100% requires DLC doesn't mean others do, sadly. Them's the facts.

If you have not done the DLC, you have not 100% completed the game.
That's the facts.

The DLC counts as game content too, so refusing to do it means you have not done all of the games content.
No. It means you 100%ed the base game. The DLC is a separate purchase which you may also 100%. Them's the facts and the guys who invented this whole cheevo paradigm agreed.
Those wanting to 100% a game should either do it right away if it involved multiplayer, or until a game is ironically, 100% done to the point of no longer getting updates/DLCs, even being declared EoL/EoS.

Originally posted by Goliath:
A lot of games nowadays have DLC based Achievements. Often that stops me from 100%ing a game since it is locked behind paid content. I would like to be able to remove the achievements from the requirements while i don't own the DLC content, OR that being automatic where buying a DLC will add the said achievements to the base game.

As a few examples:
Just Cause 3 has no Mechs in the base game, but there are a couple achievements based on it.
Assassins Creed Odyssey has many achievements locked behind 2 major DLCs. So far i would have 70% of the achievements unlocked because of this.
And lastly as the most ridiculous one, Pay Day 2. Hundreds of achievements locked behind tens of DLC packs.
Payday 2 is predictable for having DLCs, making DLCs, and still making DLCs. So any 100%-achievement-hunter should avoid games that frequently get DLC historically if they want to 100% it. Else, to wait until a game is declared done/no longer receiving updates.
As a developer, it'd be nice if Valve let any game other than TF2 use achievement groups.

That said, if you don't want to 100% a game, you don't need to make excuses for why you "actually 100%ed it if you squint". You can just not 100% it. Nobody is forcing you to complete every achievement except yourself. You can just set a personal goal of completing the achievements you want to complete instead.
Goliath 16 Jul @ 5:46am 
For people who say that DLC is part of the base game, let me put it like this: I buy a book and read all the pages. I tell that to my friend and he says "Well, did you read the sequel which is 10% the size and its an after/side story?". I say no. He says "Then you haven't really read the entire book".

Make it make sense people.
Taken out of Wiki: "Downloadable content (DLC) is additional content created for an already released video game, distributed through the Internet by the game's publisher. It can be added for no extra cost or as a form of video game monetization, enabling the publisher to gain additional revenue from a title after it has been purchased, often using a microtransaction system."
The only thing that keeps me from 100%ing a game, is monetization. You're telling me that after i complete AC Odyssey i have to buy a DLC for HALF the price of the main game to get access to content that will get me those achievements? You either have to bootlick major corporations or be out of your mind to agree with this. DLCs should not be a pay wall that stops me from showing off games that i have 100%. They should be extra content that i can buy, and add achievements related to them to the main game, but only after i bought it.
Achievement section should be separated into: Main game, DLC section 1, 2, 3.....
If i do all the achievements of the base game, i want my badge, regardless of the DLCs.
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
Originally posted by HikariLight:

If you have not done the DLC, you have not 100% completed the game.
That's the facts.

The DLC counts as game content too, so refusing to do it means you have not done all of the games content.
No. It means you 100%ed the base game. The DLC is a separate purchase which you may also 100%. Them's the facts and the guys who invented this whole cheevo paradigm agreed.

Those DLC are still part of the game.
Many times the DLC will extend the main story.

So by not doing the DLC, you have not 100% the game.

You dont get to claim you have 100% a game when you havent done everything the game has to offer.
Originally posted by Goliath:
For people who say that DLC is part of the base game, let me put it like this: I buy a book and read all the pages. I tell that to my friend and he says "Well, did you read the sequel which is 10% the size and its an after/side story?". I say no. He says "Then you haven't really read the entire book".

Make it make sense people.
Taken out of Wiki: "Downloadable content (DLC) is additional content created for an already released video game, distributed through the Internet by the game's publisher. It can be added for no extra cost or as a form of video game monetization, enabling the publisher to gain additional revenue from a title after it has been purchased, often using a microtransaction system."
The only thing that keeps me from 100%ing a game, is monetization. You're telling me that after i complete AC Odyssey i have to buy a DLC for HALF the price of the main game to get access to content that will get me those achievements? You either have to bootlick major corporations or be out of your mind to agree with this. DLCs should not be a pay wall that stops me from showing off games that i have 100%. They should be extra content that i can buy, and add achievements related to them to the main game, but only after i bought it.
Achievement section should be separated into: Main game, DLC section 1, 2, 3.....
If i do all the achievements of the base game, i want my badge, regardless of the DLCs.

Books are not the same.

You are using the wrong thing for compare to.
Originally posted by Goliath:
Is this supposed to be ragebait? In what sense is an extra piece added later, the 'full game'. The full game is as is, on release. If something gets added later, that is 110%. If you want to count it as full game, then it shouldn't be an extra DLC, it should be part of the game, like Blasphemous where they incorporated the DLCs into the main game. <- THAT is the full game. A game that i can 100% because i bought the base game and even tho at some point those were extra content, now its part of the full game.

The full game is inclusive of dlc, if you want to be deemed a trophy hunting completionist otherwise you are manipulating the data to appear to be one.

An example you gave was Assassins Creed Odyssey and 70% which is correct because you do not have the dlc therefore the achievement stat is correctly reflecting what you did with regard to that game.
Originally posted by Goliath:
For people who say that DLC is part of the base game, let me put it like this: I buy a book and read all the pages. I tell that to my friend and he says "Well, did you read the sequel which is 10% the size and its an after/side story?". I say no. He says "Then you haven't really read the entire book".

The second book is a sequel, the dlc.
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